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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 22, 2009 5:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Demand on Boxer re Weir

I've decided I'm going to start a petition drive to call on Barbara Boxer to resign for not asking Bob Weir to withdraw from Bohemian Grove. Who's with me? (Mickey can stay - those drums must go grate with the cremation of care ceremony).

Seriously, this is news from call me Senator, not ma'am, Boxer:

Weir, Hart, Chimenti and Sylvester Perform for Barbara Boxer

California Senator Barbara Boxer has announced that she will run for re-election in 2010. On Saturday, some familiar faces performed a fundraiser to support her efforts as Bob Weir, Mickey Hart, Jeff Chimenti and Robin Sylvester delivered a seven song set in the yard of a private home in Ross, CA. The quartet ran through a performance that began with "Blackbird," and also included "Friend of the Devil," "Ripple," "Bird Song," "Take Me to the River," "Gloria" and "Imagine." Jay Lane then stepped out and contributed to the "Not Fade Away" encore. Boxer, the current Chair of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works was first elected in 1992.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Jun 22, 2009 6:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

I'm not much of a follower of politics, but I've always thought that Barbara Boxer's politics were largely in line with the band's. Are we upset just because they're playing music for a politician? If so, rewind to the posts in October about them playing for Obama to find out people's thoughts on that.

Or is she bad news? I really know nothing about her, but I think I remember reading that the GD hung out with her back in the day.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 22, 2009 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

are we sure that this whole Bohemian grove thing isn't a matter of ( as the Don said ) " keep your friends close but your enemies closer" ?

Or maybe some good old fashioned pranksterism? I find it hard to believe the guys are old school GOP's in sheeps clothing. ANything is possible I guess.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 22, 2009 8:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

Who knows? But if someone wanted to give me the chance to hang out and shoot the shit with the power structure ("sinister cabal"), I'd do it - particularly if the site was in my own backyard.

I'd also like to see the cremation of care and check out what nixon called the "faggiest" thing he'd ever been to (not counting that long poker weekend with j edgar hoover).

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 23, 2009 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

The Grateful Dead used to relish their "outlaw," outsider status . In those days they hung with the Hells Angels.
"The Dead," in contrast, seem to feel more comfortable with "Senators, Congressmen" (the times they are a chagin', indeed )!, and Presidents , insiders i.e. "The MAN".
It seems to me, that the poison generated in the "W" years, has clouded visions, and led people to go, where they would not have before . The temptation of "celebrity power," and the seduction of favor from the powerful , is leading our friends toward becoming as lame as Barbara Streisand .
Garcia, at least, SEEMED to be a little more suspicious of hanging their name to political causes .More cautious . They seemed to be so far beyond all this temporal crap,... the music is .

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 23, 2009 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

the band was A political only in the sense of the revolutionary crap at the time. They were always up for a benefit or cause they supported. They were certainly more inclined to work within the system or go it alone rather than tear it down imo.

This whole what would Jerry do thing gets old. The dude didn't get involved with much - including his kids. Hell he didn't even get involved with the band when he was really strung out. But do you really think he wouldn't have participated in the whole Obama thing, especially after the previous 8 years? He went to the white house when Gore invited them. He shook Strom Thurmond's hand of all people did he not?

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 23, 2009 1:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

You know, maybe "the past 8 years," would have moved Garcia to support the Obama thing . I suspect he would have liked him and disliked George W. , but would he do fundraisers for the local Dems ? Who knows?. Sorry for the "what would Jerry do ?" line of thought . It is one thing and visit the While House, shake some hands ,... but they seem a little TOO comfortable with "the powers to be" these days, to me at least .
I tend to be more conservative, than most of my friends, and I have noticed that "the past 8 years" has angered them to the point of not being able to discuss politics etc as easy as we could have before . To me , it seems that ,Weir, and Hart especially, have been caught up in this sort of thing . It used to be the Grateful Dead experience was a neutral ground , now I feel funny sending in money to people who are aggressively supporting people and things I don't . ( But Istill do, the music is THE THING). Hell , liberals like the Grateful Dead, but conservatives NEED the Grateful Dead !
Hard to want to kill someone while listening to Dark Star !

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 23, 2009 5:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

" It used to be the Grateful Dead experience was a neutral ground , now I feel funny sending in money to people who are aggressively supporting people and things I don't "

That's got to be a bum trip knowing that every good artist IS a liberal. That's just how it is by nature.

What do these labels even mean anymore? Liberal used to mean open minded and tolerent not the intolerance to other peoples views that it is associated with now. Conservative used to mean ( or claim to mean )less Government in peoples lives not less government to make people less safe and corporations more rich ( like it obviously has been for a long time now ), and how in the hell can you be for less government but want more government in people personal lives?

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 23, 2009 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

You are correct on both counts ! Most artists through history, have been "liberal", they may not know how translate their vision into reality , but lots of things conservatives like , come from them .
Yes , there are some rather odd contradictions in current liberal/conservative stances . To me I take from both sides . I always liked the Dead's deal of funding grassroots charities . Liberal idea: take care of homeless, and the poor ; Conservative idea: eliminate bureaucracy ( by going straight to the "grassroots people" ); end result: people fed , etc., in a way that gets aid to the people who need it .
And about it being a "burn," (laughing) yes it is, but not too bad !

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jun 23, 2009 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

I know there are some really, really, no r-e-a-l-l-y hard core lefties hanging around here, but to suggest that George Bush drove Mickey & Bobby to join up for the redwood chainsaw rodeo is beyond comprehension.

"Yep, me and Mickey went so far left, we came around the other side. Happened one night around the campfire snorting low grade animal tranquilizer with our old buddy George."
(Bob Weir, NY Times, 2005)

Methinks those boys need to watch out, membership in Bohemian Grove is just one step away from hob-nobbing with the Bilderberg Group.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jun 22, 2009 5:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

*barf*

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Jun 23, 2009 12:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/inmarin/detail?&;entry_id=42016

vomit time

nuffznuff

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jun 24, 2009 12:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir


"[Jerry] Garcia and Bobby Petersen were Wobblies; yet they never criticized Mickey Hart who had 8 horses."
--Hank Harrison

(http://ponderingpig.wordpress.com/2007/02/17/kaffke-of-the-comsymps/)

(further info at wiki about Wobblies:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Workers_of_the_World

(further info at wiki on the Boho Grove:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove


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Poster: rastamon Date: Jun 23, 2009 5:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

really interesting articles CPW, thanks!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 22, 2009 10:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

Who's Joe Hill?

totally off topic and on a tangent, but I saw Roky Erickson on Austin City Limits the other night and was blown away by how freakin' good he was. I can only imagine how it was 40 odd years ago....

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jun 24, 2009 12:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night, alive as you or me.

Hey, Roky's got some great post 13th Floor Elevators music with way out lyrics, well worth checking out - he of course being a survivor of the Avalon Ballroom acid daze!

See my review of '80s era Roky (in a jugular vein) featuring "Bloody Hammer" & "Bermuda" at:

http://mog.com/uncle_creepy/blog/1331694




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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 22, 2009 10:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

Thanks!! Checking it out.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 24, 2009 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Demand on Boxer re Weir

Hey CPW, are you familiar with an Austin band, Okkervil River? I'll see them for the first time on Friday (opening for Wilco) but they have collaborated with Roky and have played a bunch of shows with him and written some new tunes with him that are supposed to come out on something with him. A bunch of clips on youtube of them together. The little bit I've heard sounds like, at times, a folkier Arcade Fire. I'm, in the vernacular of my youth, "diggin' it".

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 2, 2009 2:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Okkervil River

No, BD, I wasn't familiar with Okkervil River until you mentioned them.

They sound good, from your description and from what I read on Wikipedia.

My back-up iBook (OS 9.1) won't let me watch youtube videos, but I'll check Okkervil River out when I'm up and running again.

It's possible Cyril or Paulie in Magic Christian saw 'em play at South by Southwest, I'll ask if they did.

How were they on Friday?

Thanks for the tip.

Needless to say, surfing without a 21st century computer is dragsville!
At least I can stream music on archive.org with an OS most sites no longer support entirely, though I do have dsl with OS 9.1) but no no email, not much music (muy iTunes works ok) or ability to update my browser beyond I.Explorer 5.1 !


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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 2, 2009 9:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Okkervil River

They were ok - only caught two songs as by time got up hill, parked, and mentally prepped for entry to venue they were about done. Need to see them when it is their show, but have to like fact Roky is working with them

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 2, 2009 11:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Okkervil River

Cyril mentions liking a folk rock band from England who did the SxSW Austin festival...
he doesn't remember their name.

yeah, Roky's on fire as always.

The rumor I heard is that Sky was gonna be working with him in Austin - imagine that, yow!

Stand Up For The Fire Demon!



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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 4, 2009 1:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey CPW

Come check out next week's second annual Gasoline and Garter Belts' exhibition at the Alternative Cafe down in Seaside (the soon to be ruined bohemian enclave (= low rent) part of Monterey. A certain Mr. Scully confirmed last night he'll be there and bring some friends (and yes, he still has many - whatever his "rap", he's always been unfailingly polite and sincerely nice every time I've been around him):
http://eventful.com/seaside/events/garter-belts-and-gasoline-art-opening-/E0-001-022754693-7

Pin up girls and customized hot rods. Reception feature ice cold PBR and cheeze whiz on a cracker!

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 5, 2009 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey CPW

ya got me with the cheeze whiz on a cracker!

I'll try and arrange a caravan.

There's a chance I can make it if I get a ride.